Home  ›  Agtalk Take Ear Savers Off John Deere Cornhead to Feed Stalks in Better

Agtalk Take Ear Savers Off John Deere Cornhead to Feed Stalks in Better

Written By Wednesday, October 5, 2022 Add Comment Edit
4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 13:52 (#4868772)
Subject: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

NE part of SW Iowa

Been told that there was a "clip-on" design at one time.

 Anyone know about them?


(643.jpg)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments 643.jpg (53KB - 156 downloads)

farmermatt
Posted 10/31/2015 13:57 (#4868775 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

West Central Missouri

 Yes there was, ours was like that before we put poly on it, just used a screw driver to pop them off NEILFarmer
Posted 10/31/2015 14:06 (#4868790 - in reply to #4868775)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

Morris, IL

 We had snap on ear savers before poly as well, I had them numbered as they seemed to fit certain rows better. Down corn you could have them off in few mins.

Our 643 is late 80's uncle had a wide row like you have/had, they didn't look like they would just pop on, looked like they were made different.

1934 A
Posted 10/31/2015 14:06 (#4868791 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

north central nebraska

 clip ons were factory . just newer than your bolt on. Rock Road
Posted 10/31/2015 14:10 (#4868799 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

w/c Illinois

Your picture shows an older "high tin" head which had the bolt on snout extensions (sometimes called ear savers, although I believe that term is more correctly applied to the rubber flappers near the opening of the deck plates).  The newer "low tin" heads had the quick-remove extensions.  I modified my older bolt-on extensions to make them easy to remove.  I slotted two of the square holes in the snout and welded hooks onto the extension.  I cut away the rear face of the extension so it fits around the rubber flapper and flapper bolt.  I welded a hook on the rear of the extension and ran a long tarp strap over it to hold the whole thing onto the snout.  Works great and I can add or remove them from my 6 row in a matter of a few minutes.  I haven't figured out how to post pics on here, but I could email you some if you'd let me know here.

WTW
Posted 10/31/2015 14:16 (#4868803 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

Winkler, Manitoba Canada

 The parts are still listed as "center gatherer shield extensions" with the clip on feature.

Edited by WTW 10/31/2015 14:17

ekeller2
Posted 10/31/2015 15:03 (#4868860 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

So. IL

 Would you be better off slowing the auger down? Our 608c auger spins about 1/2 the speed as the 40 and 93 series did and I think that's what stops the ears from being thrown forward. hf213
Posted 10/31/2015 15:30 (#4868897 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions
My low tin 843 has the "snap in" type, your pic should be a bolt in style, like my old 643 was.
It was a factory option, I'll do some digging and see if I can get you some numbers, and I think I have an aftermarket book, that may sell them as new yet. JoeR
Posted 10/31/2015 16:29 (#4868998 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions


NW Iowa

 We have an 843 low tin that the ear savers are still on...and an old 444 sitting next to it. We pulled the savers off both of our 643's for down corn never put them back on have have since sent them down the road. I'll take a look at the 8 row tomorrow. Didn't know about the snap on deals... beanfarmer
Posted 10/31/2015 17:37 (#4869124 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

. Il.

 i have an extra set of the clip on type if you need some 4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 18:27 (#4869206 - in reply to #4868772)
Subject: Thanks for all the replies.

NE part of SW Iowa

This is on a wide row 444, that is actually a low tin but has all the "add-ons" that make it look like a high tin. (both end and center pieces)

{I have about 3-5 acres of down corn, in an old feedlot area = at one end of 62 acre field}

 For one day, I pulled off the left row "extensions"(between rows 1 / 2) and the one end riser (LH). I nosed into some of the down corn (taking 1 or 2 rows only), and if down corn still had about 30-40% standing, it worked pretty well. If 100% down, it just pushed up and have to constantly get out and throw into corn head, stalks and all.

Basically, I've left the worst areas, and just back up, turn around and nose back into decent corn, just to keep going. Sometimes, in mid to late afternoon(drier stalks), I'm able to take one row at a time, while going back to wagons and pick up one "down" row, then I'll try another "down" row, after dumping on way back to "good corn".

Rained, last night, I pulled all the rest of the corn head extensions off, and now the 444 is back to a "low tin" style. (Auger does have slowdown sprocket)

I probably have 7 acres of good corn and 3 or 4 acres of down corn left, for Harvest.

I was looking to find out , IF a person could modify these old "extensions" with some hardware, or maybe the original clip-on style was quite different design = I've never seen one, so I haven't got a good idea, how they look, or what the clips look like.

In the future, I know these will be getting installed again, because the North farm is steeper than this farm and you will see the benefit of those "extensions" because they save ears of corn. (North farm was soybeans, this year; 50/50 rotation)

The current sidehill, I have left to combine, isn't too steep, so I'm not seeing many ears getting throw over the rows 1/2 , that I already remove those extension/s.

Few days ago, I tried finding pictures, on Google Images, of these "clip-on" style = no luck, I also looked at JD parts under 444, 643, 843, 1243, 693 and didn't stumble across the "clip-on style" for gathering shield extensions; but I will look again .

Thanks again, and I understood, what the one posted mentioned about hooks and bunge cord/tarp strap idea.

I've even considered "Nutserts" ; BUT I know that will raise the shields a little, and that will cause bolt alignment issues, over that hump (Not that I could cut some slots, into the "humps" to allow alignment)

Edited by 4WD 10/31/2015 18:28

4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 18:55 (#4869260 - in reply to #4869206)
Subject: Is this the "clip-on" photo?

NE part of SW Iowa

OK, is the photo to the right, suppose to be the "clip-on" style (1B and 3B photo )?

Thanks

key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
1A AN100682 Shield 1 R.H. (244, -5500)(344, -2000)( 444, -11000) (546, -1500)(644, -1500)(645, -1500) (SUB AH85626 )
AH85626 Extension 1 -466450 R.H. (244, 344, 444, 546, 644, 645 AND 844)
AN100770 Extension 1 R.H. (243, -1000)(343, -4000)(443, -4500 ) (643, -4000)(843, -1500) (SUB AH85624)
AH85624 Extension 1 -466450 R.H. (243, 343, 443, 543, 643 AND 843)
1B AH101426 Extension 1 466451-600000 (SUB AH111684, AH111685 AND H113670)
AH111684 Extension 1 R.H. (244, 344, 444, 546, 644, 645 AND 844)
AH102388 Extension 1 466451-600000 (SUB AH111682)
AH111682 Extension 1 600001-640200 R.H. (243, 343, 443, 543, 643 , 843 AND 1243) (SUB AH139090)
2 N101095 Clip 1 -466450
H102554 Nut 3 466451-
key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
3A AN100683 Extension 1 L.H. (244, -5500)(344, -2000)(4 44, -11000) (546, -1500)(644, - 1500)(645, -1500) (SUB AH85627)
AH85627 Extension 1 -466450
AN100771 Shield 1 L.H. (243, -1000)(343, -4000)(443, -4500 ) (643, -4000)(843, -1500) (SUB AH85625)
AH85625 Extension 1 -466450 L.H. (243, 343, 443, 543, 643 AND 843)
3B AH102389 Extension 1 466451-600000 (SUB AH139090)
AH111683 Extension 1 -640200 L.H. (243, 343, 443, 543, 643 , 843 AND 1243) (SUB AH139090)
AH101425 Extension 1 466451-600000 (SUB AH111685, AH111684 AND H113670)
AH111685 Extension 1 L.H. (244, 344, 444, 546, 644, 645, AND 844) NO LONGER AVAILABLE USE AH137700 KIT
4 24M7207 Washer 7 -466450 8.400 X 24 X 2 mm
5 N10212 Self-Locking Screw 2 -466450
key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
19H1900 Cap Screw 2 466451- 5/16" X 3/4"
A22698 Nut 2
6 12H336 Lock Washer 2 -466450 7/16"
7 N10216 Self-Locking Screw 7 -466450
N10216 Self-Locking Screw 10 466451-
N10217 Lock Nut 7 -466450
8 24H1288 Washer 3 466451- 9/32" X 1" X 1/16"
9 H102224 Strap 1 466451-600000 (SUB H113670)
H113670 Support 1
10 AH137700 Hinge Kit 1 (INCLUDES H113670, AH111684, (3) H 102554, (3) N10216 AND AH111685) (2 44, 344, 444, 546, 644, 645 AND 844 )
key PART NO. PART NAME QTY SERIAL NO. REMARKS
AH139090 Kit 1 (INCLUDES H113670, AH111682, (3) H102554 , (3) N10216 AND AH111683) (SUB AH139090) (243, 343, 443, 543, 643, 843 AND 1243)
.. AH146326 Kit 1 (INCLUDES (2) 16H246 RIV ETS AND (1) SPRING CLIP) 
NOTE: QUANTITIES SHOWN ARE FOR ONE CENTER GATHERER SHIELD ASSEMBLY.
NEILFarmer
Posted 10/31/2015 19:10 (#4869283 - in reply to #4869260)
Subject: RE: Is this the "clip-on" photo?

Morris, IL

 That looks close on the right but just not quite right, ours on the front was a little S hook that went into snouts and the rear had the snap J lock was at. If you zoom in you can get little idea from this picture but ours are gone now. In the second picture you can see the slots the S hook went into. I can email if the quality isn't good enough to zoom in. I'm not very goo with editing and such, i think the middle row you get best look at the J hook.

That parts book looks right just hard to see what in 2D drawing. Looks like the J hook is part #9.


(IMG_0455.JPG)


(IMG_1011-2.jpg)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments IMG_0455.JPG (145KB - 122 downloads)
Attachments IMG_1011-2.jpg (101KB - 118 downloads)

Von WC Ohio
Posted 10/31/2015 19:20 (#4869299 - in reply to #4869206)
Subject: RE: Thanks for all the replies.

My older 443 high tin head never had the extensions so I bought some of the bolt on ones from a salvage yard. They did well in standing corn at saving ears. Without them you often saw an ear just roll down the center of the snoot and be lost.

However in down broken over corn they are horrible they stick up too high and act as a giant dam to impede flow into the head. Also a pain taking all the bolts out taking them off and on. I took them off when I had severely down corn and installed the roll a cones and never put them back on. I'm sure the clip on ones would be much quicker to take off and on but I've never seen them up close to know anything about them.

When I went to the 693 I wanted to go to plastic snoots and I believe these are actual JD as they have the discolored blueish plastic. They are molded to have sort of a retaining design without the large hump to overcome.

I usually have areas along different woods where the deer make a mess of things and the plastic snoots are much slicker than the metal ever was and the stuff feeds right in.

I know all to well the frustration and slowness of picking up down corn. Are the ears getting tossed by the auger or just sliding down the centers of the snoots ?  I took the rubber auger paddles off years ago as they seem to toss too many ears. Can also put gathering chain lugs directly across from each other to make them more aggressive in moving material to the auger and their are small metal paddles that bolt to the lugs as well to make them more aggressive as well.

Glad to hear your final drive was only a chain link. Hope it was a simple repair and there was no other collateral case damage.


(1111041155.jpg)


(1111041158c.jpg)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments 1111041155.jpg (211KB - 125 downloads)
Attachments 1111041158c.jpg (234KB - 127 downloads)

4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 19:31 (#4869316 - in reply to #4869283)
Subject: RE: Is this the "clip-on" photo?

NE part of SW Iowa

Ty, so far only one photo, has shown up (red pickup, combine and blue auger) I copied it and put it into "paint program" and resized by 5 times and it gets a little fuzzy.

I've wait a little longer, and see if your 2nd photo, shows up. (if it does, I'll do the same thing, to view it)

Thanks again.

 Mike

NEILFarmer
Posted 10/31/2015 19:38 (#4869327 - in reply to #4869316)
Subject: RE: Is this the "clip-on" photo?

Morris, IL

 I guess i need to stay focused. Two up now and i just sent you the originals that maybe you'll be able to see better. 4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 19:40 (#4869332 - in reply to #4869299)
Subject: RE: Thanks for all the replies.

NE part of SW Iowa

Von,

 I'd forgotten about putting gathering chains straight across from each other.

I might do that, tomorrow morning. (I don't think I'm going to try running the combine, in the field, until Noon, tomorrow)

thanks.

Yep, that final drive repair could have been worse. I put in a few extra pieces (that it needed) while I was in there. {new spline shaft and coupler, along with new chain}

4WD
Posted 10/31/2015 19:49 (#4869350 - in reply to #4869327)
Subject: RE: Is this the "clip-on" photo?

NE part of SW Iowa

Yep, I got both and E-mail was a little better for expanding/enlarging.

Thanks.

paul the original
Posted 10/31/2015 20:01 (#4869373 - in reply to #4869299)
Subject: RE: Thanks for all the replies.

southern MN

 If you're going to show down corn, you need to show down corn......

Paul


(image.jpg)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments image.jpg (213KB - 105 downloads)

NEILFarmer
Posted 10/31/2015 20:09 (#4869391 - in reply to #4869373)
Subject: RE: Thanks for all the replies.

Morris, IL

 I can beat that. Not that anyone wins.

Edited by NEILFarmer 10/31/2015 20:13


(IMG_1141.JPG)


(IMG_1140.JPG)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments IMG_1141.JPG (203KB - 135 downloads)
Attachments IMG_1140.JPG (199KB - 127 downloads)

Von WC Ohio
Posted 10/31/2015 20:32 (#4869431 - in reply to #4869391)
Subject: RE: Thanks for all the replies.

Looks better than this but your right nobody wins with messes like this. There were times I Iooked at the speed indicator and it actually read 0.0 mph

I would not wish a mess like this on anyone and the worst part is it's the gift that keeps on giving with accelerated wear on combine internals with the extra dirt/mud /material.

http://photos.imageevent.com/vprb/farmmpgs/2000%20Down%20Corn%20Movie.WMV.wmv

Edit:

This storm was in August of 2000 Dad passed away on 9/11/00 and this had to be the longest /slowest/ most difficult harvest I ever endured. I think all the damage really affected Dad and may have led to his passing away. I've never seen a storm that had so much power where it ripped limbs out of the main trunk of trees instead if just breaking them off. It destroyed many mature trees and nearly all of these that I trimmed up as best I could to save have since been removed as they were to weakened and compromised to remain standing near existing buildings. Also had barn doors torn off and several roofs damaged. Hope I never see anything like it again !


(Down Corn 2.JPG)


(Down Corn 3a.JPG)


(1.JPG)


(2.JPG)


(8a.JPG)


(9a.JPG)


(11.JPG)


(13.JPG)


(4.JPG)


(5.JPG.jpg)


(6.JPG.jpg)


(9.JPG.jpg)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments Down Corn 2.JPG (104KB - 125 downloads)
Attachments Down Corn 3a.JPG (106KB - 127 downloads)
Attachments 1.JPG (109KB - 120 downloads)
Attachments 2.JPG (151KB - 121 downloads)
Attachments 8a.JPG (65KB - 120 downloads)
Attachments 9a.JPG (59KB - 140 downloads)
Attachments 11.JPG (174KB - 116 downloads)
Attachments 13.JPG (138KB - 112 downloads)
Attachments 4.JPG (85KB - 140 downloads)
Attachments 5.JPG.jpg (57KB - 139 downloads)
Attachments 6.JPG.jpg (83KB - 134 downloads)
Attachments 9.JPG.jpg (87KB - 147 downloads)

4WD
Posted 11/1/2015 20:36 (#4871705 - in reply to #4868799)
Subject: RE: JD 40 series cornhead ear savers or gathering snout extensions

NE part of SW Iowa

Rock Road (Jim) was nice enough to E-mail me a photo of his modification, so I thought I would post it, so others could see it and maybe help them.

Thanks,  Jim.

Edited by 4WD 11/1/2015 20:37


(P1010262.JPG)

Attachments
----------------
Attachments P1010262.JPG (133KB - 154 downloads)

jenningsbounusposs.blogspot.com

Source: https://talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=589255&DisplayType=flat&setCookie=1

0 Response to "Agtalk Take Ear Savers Off John Deere Cornhead to Feed Stalks in Better"

Post a Comment

Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom)

Iklan Atas Artikel

Iklan Tengah Artikel 1

Iklan Tengah Artikel 2

Iklan Bawah Artikel